Furthermore, the author of the Arizona Atheist blog asked Vilenkin if his theorem with Guth and Borde proves that the universe had a beginning. The Borde-Guth-Vilenkin singularity theorem (or BGV theorem) was developed in by three leading cosmologists; Arvind Borde, Alan Guth. I was watching A debate on cosmology where William Lane Craig uses the Borde , Guth and Vilenkin theorem to say the universe had a.

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The Borde-Guth-Vilenkin theorem does not bring into question anything related to the long ages that are called for by the Big bang theory.

Carroll is trying to get mileage out of the fact that Guth was willing to pose for pictures and use them to give the audience the impression that Craig has misunderstood or misrepresented his source when he had done no such thing. Carroll word any day in this argument. A sequence of mental events alone is sufficient to generate relations of earlier and later, wholly in the absence of any physical events.

Thus, the self must be beheld and accounted for by a non-self. From CreationWiki, the encyclopedia of creation science. You need a Phd to reach this conclusion, of course. I would assert that it is more plausibly true that the universe is past-finite than past infinite. Now, if science is permeated with assumptions that cannot be scientifically accounted for, science is permeated with metaphysical ideas.

He also introduced the idea of quantum creation of the universe from a quantum vacuum. The only non-self that can take action have verbs ascribed to it is matter.


Craig also admits that it would take quantum mechanics to understand the universe at the theordm. This reductionistic view is clearly wrong. Why are you so angry? According to Hubbles law ; “The apparent recession velocity of a galaxy v is proportional to its distance d from the observer: There is no escape, they have to face the problem of a cosmic beginning pg.

Therefore, the brain molecules that randomly bump into each other must, in principle, be able to scientifically account for and behold purpose, which then must also be an illusion as it is apparent that purpose is just a superstructure of randomness. A worldview that needs to resort to special pleading, circular devices and other types of fallacious reasoning is not coherent, much less rational.

There have been many cycles of expansion and when traced back in time it contracts then expands out again into a past or future trajectory. If this can be so then there is a “viable model of the Universe with no initial singularity. Being outside the reach of science does not automatically qualify a question to enter the realm of philosophy. The claim seems to be that since the initial cosmological singularity is a boundary point to spacetime rather than a point of borre, therefore there was theordm time at which God could have created the singularity.

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Your power of reasoning is overpowering…please continue to baffle us with you brilliant intellect. And by the way, argument is not the most important thing in the world.

The “something can’t come from nothing” argument – Page 19 – Religious Education Forum. And I thought that singularities in physical equations are artifacts due to borxe downs of the underlying theory or at least the approximations.

His work has been featured in numerous newspaper and magazine articles in the United States, EuropeSoviet Unionand Japangorde in many popular books. Craig nails it best: By accounting for assumptions, you transform metaphysical ideas pre-accounting into scientific ones post-accounting.


In fact, the opposite is true. According to this theory the universe is approximately 14 billion years old. It is vileenkin deliberate misrepresentation of your opponent, and is unsophisticated demonstrating an unserious response to your critics. Such an appeal to metaphysics is not illicit because Hawking is making a metaphysical claim that God cannot create the universe because the singularity is not in physical time, a reductionistic move which no theist should accept.

Borde, Guth, and Vilenkin’s Past-Finite Universe | Debunking William Lane Craig

Carroll is correct in that the BGV theorem thus does not include all models, but it includes a wider range than Carroll’s “some” may make it sound like depending on interpretation, of course. You are commenting using your Facebook account. A lot of people my ex-wife included can live with the irrationality of their beliefs. It makes more sense to me that matter is a result of an tueorem mind, rather than the mind developing from matter.

The other problem is citing Vilenkin as a philosopher at the end. Have something to add? So, to write obrde equation describing a zero- volume singularity is an exercise in futility and logical incoherence. I think you are the one who is really shifting the burden of proof. Another, stronger example- the self. The only change that occurs is on paper.

Science at the end of the day has a simple premise — explain what you observe, and prove it by falsifying it.